Warsaw looked awesome and deep tonight handling a hot-shooting , athletic Marion tonight 79-68. Warsaw was up 17 late in the game and puts subs in the last 2 minutes. Nic Moore was spectacular again with 27 points and 10 assists but had lots of help. Justin Clemens had 20 points on 9 of 10 shooting and had 7 assists himself. Sophomores Lucus Grose and Jordan Coon were both in double figures and starter Andy Conrad did not even play due to an injury. The Tigers play Plymouth (5-1 in the NLC) for all the marbles next Thursday. Plymouth is very solid and playing great lately, but I feel they don't have the depth and skill players that Warsaw does. That said, they play hard and very smart and will keep this game close as long as they can. Too bad it's on a Thursday night.

nic moore is the best pg in the state.

Last night was the first Warsaw game I have been to in 3 years. I can't explain to you how amazing this teams passing is. To say Nic Moore has matured is a huge understatement. He sees the floor better then anyone I have ever seen. When he touches the ball, 80% of the time, you are going to get a great shot, either from him, or a pass from him. Justin Clemens has improved so much all around. Great passing out of him last night to, but I was impressed on how he ran the floor, and in the half court offense continually found gaps in the Marion defense and knocked down 15 ft/65 ft shots!
That's not to say Warsaw doesn't have anyone else. Lucas Grose completely dominated the 3rd quarter of play. He does a great job of posting up big and strong for a sophomore. I will say that in order for him to stay out of foul trouble, and be affective on the defensive end, he has to start playing defense before his guy touches the ball. He still stands a bit to tall away from the ball on the defensive end, but as a sophomore, both him and Jordyn Coon have BRIGHT futures for the Tigers.

It was a good feeling leaving the Tiger Den last night. To many times in recent years, you had teams that were very individually oriented. There was more I then there was We. Last night, I felt as though we were watching a Tiger team of old. If they can continue to execute on offense, and keep playing tough, physical defense, the Tigers could have a good post season run.

Tiger-of-old, on Feb 6 2010, 10:29 PM, said:

TOUCHE!!!!!

nic moore is a very, very good high school point guard, but he is no where near the best point guard in the state.

he's top five in '11, though.

I havent really followed too closely, does anyone know if he has any college offers yet? A place like Ball State would seem to be a nice spot for him.

Title, on Feb 7 2010, 09:25 AM, said:

Other than Teague, who is better? I would go out on a limb and say he is for sure the best passer in the state.

Just in the '11 class? Or all 4 classes? If you are talking all four classes, he might not be in the Top 10.

Without putting much thought into it, Dee Davis and Jalen Packer are ahead of him (other than Teague) in '11. He'd probably slot 4-6 in his class.

I'm looking at this from the perspective of playing at college, which might not have been the perspective of the original poster.

LCF, on Feb 7 2010, 09:33 AM, said:

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/...11%26state%3dIN

I gave it some thought.

1. Teague
2. Davis
3. Packer
4. Moore
5. Marlin

After that point, there are 5-6 that are sort of interchangeable, ranging from the L+ level to D2. Jeremiah Davis would be 3rd or 4th, if you think he'll stick at the 1.

I can respect the Southern Bias, but Jalen Packer is no where near the passer Nic is. I got to see him play 3 times last year. He's bigger, thus getting more oppurtunities to score inside, but I would say Nic is a better shooter as well. I haven't seen any better all around player in the state then Nic is.

http://www.kyprephoo...olusINBoys.html

That list loses all creditbility when you have Russel Byrd and Jake Kitchell on the top of it. Kitchell is only 3 weeks removed from getting manhandled by Scott Sanders of Argos. Byrd, well, shooting 25% from the field in a game is not close to top player in the state catagory. List and rankings aren't everything. Matter of fact, they are AAU rankings. AAU is individual. Rarely are you going to find a team of kids that aren't there for more then just recogniztion. That's fine, but put them on a team with scouting reports and good coaching, and then see how they play. That's the mark of a player.

Fanman, on Feb 7 2010, 11:55 AM, said:

Rick Bolus has an impressive resume of qualifications.
http://www.basketball-camp.net/about-us/di...taff/rick-bolus

Chrishawn Hopkins performed well on the AAU summer circuit but was ommitted on Bolus' Indiana listings released in October. Hopkins is currently ranked among the top ten overall in Indiana based on his phenominal performance during the high school basketball season.

What does the state's #2 scorer have to do with this? He is a 2010 point guard.

Rick Bolus is held in the same regard as Clark Francis.

Take from that what you will.

Byrd is ginormously overrated. MSU can have him. I also think Moore would be a great fit at Purdue. I think Painter has been looking at him.

Title, on Feb 7 2010, 01:06 PM, said:

Hopkins was referenced as a response to Fanman claiming Bolus' rankings were based on AAU.

Title, on Feb 7 2010, 01:06 PM, said:

I'm aware your Butler proboards forum doesn't recognize legitimate basketball scouts such as ESPN, Rivals, Scout, Bolus and Hoopscoop.

Title, on Feb 7 2010, 01:06 PM, said:

The Butler proboards forum references rankings from "A Coaches Journey" blogspot, "Hoopsmongrel" blogspot and the same guy who received a public reprimand from Indiana Basketball Digest forum moderators for trolling and had his thread closed.

Title, on Feb 7 2010, 10:43 AM, said:

i don't care about college potential, these kids are still in high school.i believe as far as a high school pg moore is the best.he makes his teammates better and is the best passer i've seen this year.his eyes are up as soon as he gets the ball and will hit an open mate in stride at the right moment.i don't buy the talk of him being too small to play high d1, he might be short at 5'8 but is strong enough to play the pg position in college.to me the job of a pg s to run the team and get them the best shot possible.

Title, on Feb 7 2010, 09:25 AM, said:

He can come to Ball State any day!!! Yes, please. We need a PG, bad.

Fanman, on Feb 7 2010, 11:55 AM, said:

I watched Nic Moore for the first time in a while against Blackhawk. He outscored them at halftime by himself, without missing a shot. He even guarded Byrd for stretches, and took Blackhawk's other big man to the block, and showed him a thing or two. At 5'8'' this kid is unbelievably athletic, has every move, a nice shot, and he uses his body amazingly and can get a shot anytime. I wouldn't worry about his size honestly either. Bogues was no tower. Moore can play. Period.

FWIW, I'd say Teague is more talented, and has more potential, but Moore is so polished. His passes are unbelievable, and he reads plays so much faster than even his teammates can keep up with sometimes. I'd imagine playing at the next level, his passing might be even better. I'd take him at IU. I think he could easily hold his own with Hulls right now. Two more years and who knows how good he'll be.

Title, on Feb 7 2010, 11:20 AM, said:

All good, solid pg's. I'll take Nic over all of them. Love the kid!

Vince Neil, on Feb 8 2010, 07:51 AM, said:

Agree. He's not about stats at all either. He could score at will any given night but he picks and chooses and makes his teammates better. Tough to put a value on that.

Howe Academy, on Feb 7 2010, 01:22 PM, said:

Just look at ESPN, Bolus, and Hoopscoop rankings and then see how they do in college. Hoopsmongrel is way better at talent evaluation than you will ever be.

shock3, on Feb 12 2010, 11:55 PM, said:

Rick Bolus, Clark Francis (Hoopscoop) and ESPN have been publishing high potential rankings since before you were born.

Please take your lil' pee-wee league, jr. featherweight AAU nonsense back to the Butler proboards forum. Where it rightfully belongs.

Howe Academy, on Feb 13 2010, 02:35 AM, said:

I've pondered and asked around. So far no response. But when I or someone finds a board where you belong, one of us will point you in the right direction.