RedBirdRage

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  1. Ok, so from what it looks like then, Fillmore went to the Big Four when the Little Eight dissolved, which would have put the B4C at eight members. That would likely explain why Reelsville or any other of the former L8C schools didn't follow them there (or rather, might not have been invited), so they were probably independent. This would make the most sense, since there was only a one school year gap between the ending of the L8C (ended after '63-'64) and Fillmore's B4C title ('65-'66, if I interpreted that correctly). The murky part is between 1969 and 1971. I'm assuming '71 was the start of the Little Four, as the three Boone-Hendricks schools were the only ones left from the B4C. The question is whether The B4C continued between those two years, minus the Putnam schools, until Ladoga and New Market formed Southmont, or whether they went their separate ways with the impending consolidation. Here's something else to muddy the waters I just sort of cleaned. Ladoga and New Market were a part of the Wabash River Conference from at latest 1964 til they consolidated in '71, at least in football (http://cannerhilites.blogspot.com/2010/10/bill-bays-and-history-of-ladoga.html). Despite the extensive writeups on Ladoga basketball, there's no mention of either the WRC or B4C anywhere. This may be a fb-only deal, since there's only four other WRC schools listed, two would consolidate in '64, and Attica wouldn't come into the fold until either 1966 or 1971. It is possible that the Wabash River started as a football conference, then became all sports later (they sponsored a choir competition starting in 1959).
  2. Actually, I think you're both right on this one as far as school lineups. The guy putting the Hendricks schools in graduated from Cascade in '66, so going by that timeline, it's quite possible they added NS, Pitt, and GW to replace the three schools that became Cascade, with possibly Cascade being the eighth. Then either when Reelsville and Fillmore became South Put in '69, or when South Put, Cloverdale, and Cascade helped form the West Central in '70, they became the Little 4. This is merely guessing, but it seems plausible that the conference did keep going with new blood til G-W became part of Western Boone in '74. Of course, I haven't slept yet and need to go to work, so we'll see how much sense that makes tomorrow when I finally get some rest.
  3. Ok, that explains my whole confusion on when L-S joined the SWIAC, for whatever reason I had them joining both at the same time, instead of doing the opposite of what the other SWIAC/TRC schools did. As for Schulte, I've found them listed as WIC by 1971, but can't find any info on which conference they are in between '64 and then. Interestingly enough, though I'm not sure whether this was technically a conference or not, there was apparently a Little 4 Conference at some point that Eminence was involved in after the L8C. The other three schools were North Salem and Pittsboro from Hendricks County, and Granville-Wells from Boone County. There's also a mention that the Hendricks County schools were in the Little 8, but I'm not sure whether there's anything to that. Here's the link to that convo (not really anything past first page): http://www.sycamorepride.com/showthread.php?10149-For-OFC-s-Only
  4. Rex Mundi closed in '72.
  5. Since they're so closely intertwined, I'd figure I'd go ahead and throw the Tri-River Conference in on here. 1964- Three schools from the Western Indiana Conference, Shakamak, Terre Haute Schulte, and Terre Haute State, join with Clay City, Montezuma, Rosedale, Staunton, and Van Buren to form the Tri-River Conference. Schulte and State would play concurrently in the TRC and WIC. Members (8): Clay City, Montezuma, Rosedale, Shakamak, Staunton, Terre Haute Schulte, Terre Haute State, Van Buren. 1965- Union-Dugger joins. Members (9): Clay City, Montezuma, Rosedale, Shakamak, Staunton, Terre Haute Schulte, Terre Haute State, Union-Dugger, Van Buren. 1968- Shakamak joins the Southwestern Indiana Conference while maintaining membership in the TRC. Members (9): Clay City, Montezuma, Rosedale, Shakamak, Staunton, Terre Haute Schulte, Terre Haute State, Union-Dugger, Van Buren. 1971?- Schulte leaves the TRC, becoming a full-time WIC school. Members (8): Clay City, Montezuma, Rosedale, Shakamak, Staunton, Terre Haute State, Union-Dugger, Van Buren. 1974- Union-Dugger joins Shakamak in having concurrent SWIAC/TRC membership. Members (8): Clay City, Montezuma, Rosedale, Shakamak, Staunton, Terre Haute State, Union-Dugger, Van Buren. 1977- North Central-Farmersburg joins, after not having been in any known conference previously. Members (8): Clay City, Montezuma, North Central-Farmersburg, Rosedale, Shakamak, Staunton, Terre Haute State, Union-Dugger, Van Buren. 1978- Terre Haute State closes, also ending concurrent TRC/WIC membership. Members (8): Clay City, Montezuma, North Central-Farmersburg, Rosedale, Shakamak, Staunton, Union-Dugger, Van Buren. 1984- Staunton and Van Buren consolidate with Brazil, forming independent Northview. Members (6): Clay City, Montezuma, North Central-Farmersburg, Rosedale, Shakamak, Union-Dugger. 1986- Montezuma and Rosedale consolidate to form Riverton-Parke, which joins the Wabash River Conference. Eminence and Sullivan join. Sullivan had been playing independently after the WIC collapsed in 1982, and Eminence had been an independent since the demise of the Little 8/4 in 1974. Members (6): Clay City, Eminence, North Central-Farmersburg, Shakamak, Sullivan, Union-Dugger. 1991- Linton-Stockton joins the TRC while remaining in the SWIAC, a reverse move from the moves made by Shakamak and Union-Dugger. Members (7): Clay City, Eminence, Linton-Stockton, North Central-Farmersburg, Shakamak, Sullivan, Union-Dugger. 1992- Clay City becomes the fourth school with concurrent SWIAC/TRC membership, joining Linton-Stockton, Shakamak, and Union-Dugger. Members (7): Clay City, Eminence, Linton-Stockton, North Central-Farmersburg, Shakamak, Sullivan, Union-Dugger. 1999- Sullivan joins a reformed Western Indiana Conference. Members (6): Clay City, Eminence, Linton-Stockton, North Central-Farmersburg, Shakamak, Union-Dugger. 2010- With four members in both conferences, the TRC disbands. Those four schools remain in the SWIAC, and are joined by North Central-Farmersburg. Eminence becomes Independent.
  6. I may have to hit up the library in Jeffersonville later this week to see if I can't dig up any old IBH copies. I know the IHSAA does release conference affiliations along with their school directory, unfortunately they don't have may older versions online. I wonder if I wouldn't be able to email them to get some of the older info.
  7. I wouldn't say it was a matter of needing to be saved, per se, but they did take a huge hit between 1970 and 1974, losing four schools to consolidation (Spencer becoming too large for the conference when merging to become OV, and the three schools that merged into Bedford-NL) and having Loogootee and Edgewood move to different conferences. They had went from 13 schools to 7 in that year, though they did add Union-Dugger to start replenishing the numbers, and stayed around 7-9 schools until the three schools that bacame WRV merged. The fact that they didn't take Eminence (if there was any interest in the latter to begin with) shows that they're on pretty stable footing now, and don't need to take a team outside of the footprint just to keep the numbers there. The issue with what would become the SW7 Conference, while I don't think either conference would have folded entirely, definitely looked like it would have caused some major realignment. I think it's quite possible you would have seen one conference consisting of the football schools, while the other would have absorbed the non-fb schools. As it is now, the conferences are in a pretty good shape as far as schools and geography. The SWIAC has the northern area in the region, the BCC the southern, so you have two relatively compact areas instead of two wider-ranging conferences based of fb/non-fb.
  8. Information noted and corrected in my notes, thank you again. LOL Do you have all of this info in your head, or are there some books that would have some of this stuff I need to be on the lookout for?
  9. I actually have similar info to this for the Blue Chip that I can post as well. Part of one of my online projects was to start getting info on different Indiana conferences, and it's grown quite a bit. I've been digging up conferences that haven't existed for 50+ years, yet am having a hard time getting info to definitely complete a lot of them. I can post what I have for the BCC either on here or in a new thread if you'd like.
  10. Information noted and corrected in my notes (I have to play with my original post to see if I can edit it). Who was in the WIC during the '82-83 season? All I could see there was Brazil, South Vermillion, Sullivan, and West Vigo. If they continued as a 4-team conference, that would make sense, since my records (which were from a football site) show those four being the only schools left after '77, so they may have been a basketball conference, but not a football conference. With all of the intertwining between the old WIC, SWIAC, TRC, and BCC, it's extremely tough to keep everything straightened out, and online newspaper services don't go too far. That's one of the reasons I don't mind putting the lists I have on here, not only do I get to share a little bit of history, but I also get some much-needed corrections for when I either have faulty info or have to guesstimate on the timeline.
  11. Thank you, I have that fixed in my records now.
  12. Ok, I've been trying to compile a team history of the SWIAC, and it seems to work better when I present the info I have, then let people call me names, insult my intelligence, then give me the correct info I'm looking for. So I figure I'll just throw this out then let our Southwestern contingent have a field day with me. 1939- The SWIAC conference is founded by eight schools (of those, only Bloomfield, Loogootee, and Shoals exist in their current state). Members (8): Bloomfield, Ellettsville, Loogootee, Montgomery (Barr Twp), Oolitic, Plainville, Shoals, West Baden. The next twenty years are pretty fuzzy. At some point before 1958, Montgomery/BT, Plainville, Shoals, and West Baden had left. Spencer and Switz City Central had joined by then, probably from the White River Valley Conference. Needmore, Odon, Shawswick, and Worthington joined by that time as well. 1958 Members (10): Bloomfield, Ellettsville, Loogootee, Needmore, Odon, Oolitic, Shawswick, Spencer, Switz City, Worthington. 1962- Shoals rejoined, and Eastern Greene joined as a virtually new school. I have the teams split into theoretical divisions (probably were not actually used in standings) to keep things more readable. North Members (6): Bloomfield, Eastern Greene, Ellettsville, Spencer, Switz City, Worthington. South Members (6): Loogootee, Needmore, Odon, Oolitic, Shawswick, Spencer, Shoals. 1964- Ellettsville is consolidated into Edgewood. North Members (6): Bloomfield, Eastern Greene, Edgewood, Spencer, Switz City, Worthington. South Members (6): Loogootee, Needmore, Odon, Oolitic, Shawswick, Spencer, Shoals. 1968- Odon (as part of North Daviess) leaves to form the Blue Chip Conference while Bloomfield plays in both the BCC and SWIAC. Shakamak joins, becoming the first member to be part of both the SWIAC and Tri-River conferences at the same time, and L&M also joins. North Members (7): Bloomfield, Eastern Greene, Edgewood, Shakamak, Spencer, Switz City, Worthington. South Members (6): L&M, Loogootee, Needmore, Oolitic, Shawswick, Spencer, Shoals. 1970- Three schools leave. Edgewood and Spencer (as part of Owen Valley) form the West Central Conference, and Loogootee joins the Blue Chip. Members (10): Bloomfield, Eastern Greene, L&M, Needmore, Oolitic, Shakamak, Shawswick, Shoals, Switz City, Worthington. 1974- Needmore, Oolitic, and Shawswick are consolidated into Beford-North Lawrence. Union-Dugger joins, while maintaining their membership in the Tri-River. Members (8): Bloomfield, Eastern Greene, L&M, Shakamak, Shoals, Switz City, Union-Dugger, Worthington. 1977- Shoals starts dual membership in the SWIAC and BCC, transitioning to the BCC. Members (8): Bloomfield, Eastern Greene, L&M, Shakamak, Shoals, Switz City, Union-Dugger, Worthington. 1979- Shoals completes transition, and leaves SWIAC. Members (7): Bloomfield, Eastern Greene, L&M, Shakamak, Switz City, Union-Dugger, Worthington. 1980- Linton-Stockton joins after spending 6 seasons as an independent. Members (8): Bloomfield, Eastern Greene, L&M, Linton-Stockton, Shakamak, Switz City, Union-Dugger, Worthington. 1985- Bloomfield ends its concurrency with the Blue Chip. Members (8): Bloomfield, Eastern Greene, L&M, Linton-Stockton, Shakamak, Switz City, Union-Dugger, Worthington. 1986- North Daviess joins from the Blue Chip, a sort of rejoining as Odon was a former member. Members (9): Bloomfield, Eastern Greene, L&M, Linton-Stockton, North Daviess, Shakamak, Switz City, Union-Dugger, Worthington. 1990- L&M, Switz City, and Worthington consolidate to form White River Valley. Members (7): Bloomfield, Eastern Greene, Linton-Stockton, North Daviess, Shakamak, Union-Dugger, WRV. 1992- Clay City joins, while maintaining Tri-River membership Members (8): Bloomfield, Clay City, Eastern Greene, Linton-Stockton, North Daviess, Shakamak, Union-Dugger, WRV. 2010- The Tri-River Conference folds. Clay City, Linton-Stockton, Shakamak, and Union-Dugger are now members of the SWIAC only. North Central-Farmersburg joins their former TRC conference mates. Members (9): Bloomfield, Clay City, Eastern Greene, Linton-Stockton, North Central-Farmersburg, North Daviess, Shakamak, Union-Dugger, WRV. So there it is, 73+ years of history, which also means gaps and inaccuracies, so feel free to make fun of me for having incorrect info. Oh, and as a bonus, there was also a conference called the White River Valley that started in 1936, with Clay City, Jasonville, Lyons, Midland, Spencer, and Switz City as its founding members. It's not known how long the conference lasted, since there's no indication of any other members joining. Jasonville joined the WIC in 1949, and Spencer and Switz City joined the SWIAC in 1958, though the conference may have folded before any of this. If you all have any info to add, it would be greatly appreciated.
  13. I think the misinterpretation lies in that this is about "leveling the playing field." It isn't, it's about preventing a schism with those who will accuse successful private schools of recruiting, or other advantages, or whatever. The IHSAA realized something had to be done, or we could have a situation like Georgia, where 1A public schools threatened to form their own organization unless the private schools there were forced into their own class, or other state organizations that totally blockade private schools from competing. This had to be done as fair as possible to avoid any discrimination accusations or possible lawsuits, so this got applied across the board. This is their version of Illinois's multiplier. While I am NOT necessarily opposed to something like this, I've said elsewhere that the sample size is much too small. Picking two years out for targeting success is a bit too small, because as has correctly been pointed out, a school has a couple of great players and gets deep into the tournament a couple of years, and they could be long gone by the time the school gets moved up for two years. I honestly think that the scale should be applied for a five-year period. Since the period measured would be 2.5 times the current time amount, the point scale would be 15 over the five years, that way you do not have one class causing a school to be bumped up post-career.
  14. I couldn't quite picture that rivalry as Hatfields-McCoys, if for nothing else because because while both towns are small and rural, I never had the Deliverance Theme running through my head going through either town (and I've stopped in both towns a few times for gas/road trip food), they just don't have that vibe.
  15. You are correct. Dillsboro joined the ORVC from the Laughery Valley in 1953 (ORVC's second year) along with Sunman and Moores Hill (Vevay, part of the Southeastern Indiana Conference, also joined that year, being left on an island when RS and Versailles left the year before). Guilford and Bright were also in the LVC as well, though that's all I've been able to dig up for sure. I suspect that Osgood was in the LVC as well, and Milan may have joined them after being kicked out of the SEIC in 1942, before those helped found the ORVC. North Madison is a school I have absolutely no idea where they were beforehand, and they only were in the ORVC for a year before they closed. I have a theory that they may have came from the Tri-County Conference, but no way to find those out at this point. It's also interesting that they invited a school that was going to be shuttered after one year. I'm wondering if that was either a stopgap measure so the LVC schools wouldn't have to break scheduled games, or if North Madison was shut down in a surprise move. I guess that's one reason I'm trying to research this stuff now, so some of these answers can be found before they get lost in history.